Comments on: Earth Hour was dark http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/ this is not blogging; this is typing Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:02:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: gifted typist http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3481 gifted typist Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:25:21 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3481 Dick, really? As in, Canada has no sovereignty over its own natural resources? FP, ok so oil sands extraction is such a case of needing two barrels (LNG)to get one bitumen-extracted equivalent. Then we should see innovation into Alt. energy by oil and gas operators who want to max out the tar sands potential. Tonardo. See dick's comment. If the oil sands are owned and operated by another country, they won't need to have a war. Dick, really? As in, Canada has no sovereignty over its own natural resources?

FP, ok so oil sands extraction is such a case of needing two barrels (LNG)to get one bitumen-extracted equivalent.
Then we should see innovation into Alt. energy by oil and gas operators who want to max out the tar sands potential.

Tonardo. See dick’s comment. If the oil sands are owned and operated by another country, they won’t need to have a war.

]]> By: Tonardo http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3476 Tonardo Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:52:57 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3476 The US is The Matrix, and Canada is the battery. Great to be sovereign heh?? Until we try and assert same .... it'll be the 'Plains of Abrams Tanks' this time ... with our southern cousins all logo'd up and sponsored by GM of course ... like the PGA ?!?! Here comes Johnny with a gun in his hand ... like moths to candles!!!! The US is The Matrix, and Canada is the battery. Great to be sovereign heh?? Until we try and assert same …. it’ll be the ‘Plains of Abrams Tanks’ this time … with our southern cousins all logo’d up and sponsored by GM of course … like the PGA ?!?! Here comes Johnny with a gun in his hand … like moths to candles!!!!

]]> By: Funnypants http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3475 Funnypants Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:51:41 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3475 Yes, the poster named "Kebab" has done some interesting oil sands production modelling: http://canada.theoildrum.com/story/2006/10/20/142436/03 I think the question is not so much the size of the non-conventional reserves, but whether they can be brought online quickly enough to offset declining fields like Ghawar. What really freaks me out is that natural gas powers most bitumen extraction, and the conventional sources for NG are also in decline (ergo the new LNG termals in places like St. John and Cape Breton). In situ mini nukes have been suggested, but they will take time to build. Granted, unemployed people don't drive much, and shuttered factories don't use power, so perhaps the US recession will hold prices down for a while. The next few years may be a good time to load up on energy shares... and toilet paper, and canned peas .. Yes, the poster named “Kebab” has done some interesting oil sands production modelling:
http://canada.theoildrum.com/story/2006/10/20/142436/03

I think the question is not so much the size of the non-conventional reserves, but whether they can be brought online quickly enough to offset declining fields like Ghawar.

What really freaks me out is that natural gas powers most bitumen extraction, and the conventional sources for NG are also in decline (ergo the new LNG termals in places like St. John and Cape Breton). In situ mini nukes have been suggested, but they will take time to build.

Granted, unemployed people don’t drive much, and shuttered factories don’t use power, so perhaps the US recession will hold prices down for a while. The next few years may be a good time to load up on energy shares… and toilet paper, and canned peas ..

]]> By: Dick http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3473 Dick Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:04:38 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3473 The Tar Sands, largely owned and operated by the US, are expected to supply the US oil needs for the next 100 years...no mention of Canada. Their long term plans do not include a pipelie to eastern Canada. The Chinese want in, but the US won't let them...no mention of Canada. Saw it on CBC :-o The Tar Sands, largely owned and operated by the US, are expected to supply the US oil needs for the next 100 years…no mention of Canada. Their long term plans do not include a pipelie to eastern Canada.
The Chinese want in, but the US won’t let them…no mention of Canada.
Saw it on CBC :-o

]]> By: gifted typist http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3472 gifted typist Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:45:07 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3472 Interesting. Makes sense too. Do any of these models mention the oil sands? Canada's incredibly lucky to be sitting on such a motherlode - and that should buffer us somewhat from the US downturn. The irony is that alternative energy innovation will come from oil and gas companies that realize it's soon going to cost 2 barrels just to get one out of the ground. Knustler's novel looks interesting too Interesting. Makes sense too. Do any of these models mention the oil sands? Canada’s incredibly lucky to be sitting on such a motherlode – and that should buffer us somewhat from the US downturn.

The irony is that alternative energy innovation will come from oil and gas companies that realize it’s soon going to cost 2 barrels just to get one out of the ground.

Knustler’s novel looks interesting too

]]> By: Funnypants http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3469 Funnypants Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:02:58 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3469 Gotta love the doomer porn. I'm on the library waiting list for Kunstler's new novel. I expect it to be at least as disturbing as the Export Land Model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_Land_Model Aside: I think the CIBC economist Jeff Rubin is cribbing some of his energy commentary from TheOilDrum.com I'm not filling my basement with cases of Manwich just yet, but I admit I have gazed longingly at high capacity fuel storage canisters... The US economy is in trouble, along with their dollar, but how inelastic is demand for oil? We're going to find out. Gotta love the doomer porn. I’m on the library waiting list for Kunstler’s new novel. I expect it to be at least as disturbing as the Export Land Model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_Land_Model

Aside: I think the CIBC economist Jeff Rubin is cribbing some of his energy commentary from TheOilDrum.com

I’m not filling my basement with cases of Manwich just yet, but I admit I have gazed longingly at high capacity fuel storage canisters…

The US economy is in trouble, along with their dollar, but how inelastic is demand for oil? We’re going to find out.

]]> By: Earth Hour was dark - SprintBio http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3468 Earth Hour was dark - SprintBio Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:20:17 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3468 [...] were keen, possessed with a sense of urgency. “We have to do this for the environment!’ read more andy actions earth hour [...] [...] were keen, possessed with a sense of urgency. “We have to do this for the environment!’ read more andy actions earth hour [...]

]]> By: gifted typist http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3466 gifted typist Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:32:47 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3466 FP, I'm now reading The Long Emergency by Jim Kunstler Need I say more? FP, I’m now reading The Long Emergency by Jim Kunstler
Need I say more?

]]> By: Funnypants http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3463 Funnypants Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:03:20 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3463 Hear, hear GT. Nice post. Power down now by choice, or by necessity later. I'm no petroleum geologist, I just play one online, and pay close attention to TheOilDrum.com. They've done some impressive work with publicly available information and made some scary conclusions: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2563 http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3574 Arguing about the precise date of peak is a bit like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. But if the Ghawar field has reached 50% depletion, it's time to put your hands in the air and scream as the fossil fuel roller coaster begins its descent. Hear, hear GT. Nice post.
Power down now by choice, or by necessity later.

I’m no petroleum geologist, I just play one online, and pay close attention to TheOilDrum.com. They’ve done some impressive work with publicly available information and made some scary conclusions:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2563
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3574

Arguing about the precise date of peak is a bit like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. But if the Ghawar field has reached 50% depletion, it’s time to put your hands in the air and scream as the fossil fuel roller coaster begins its descent.

]]> By: gifted typist http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/comment-page-1/#comment-3461 gifted typist Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:42:06 +0000 http://www.giftedtypist.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-was-dark/#comment-3461 Moxie, your bad luck has been good for the environment. Dick, they talk about trading carbon credits. I suppose that's one. You grow your own food so you don't contribute to carbon footprinted groceries. But you live in the country and need a vehicle to work... Chance, me too. Moxie, your bad luck has been good for the environment.

Dick, they talk about trading carbon credits. I suppose that’s one. You grow your own food so you don’t contribute to carbon footprinted groceries. But you live in the country and need a vehicle to work…

Chance, me too.

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